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3 years ago
Jan 3, 2021, 12:53:37 PM

Dont see missions yet: there seem to be random events and fame achievements in the footage


If there is a need for in-game minor targets for the player (missions) I recommend the following concept:

Each rulers legitimacy to the throne is supported or opposed by those holding power below them (aristocracy, wealthy land owners/merchants, military commanders, political leaders their wife etc...) Missions can result from the desires and personal goals of these groups and individuals. If the rules succeeds in meeting these goals, they gain support otherwise their rule is opposed. Such a mechanic would also lend itself to be a sort of break to building an empire wide as these groups would get more demanding and some of them more powerful rivaling the leader of an empire


Rome 2 was trying to sort of go into this direction but then the individual houses never got missions assigned to them and the two entities: houses and missions existed fully separate from each other making both mechanics detached from the main game

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3 years ago
Jan 3, 2021, 1:44:00 PM

I believe the missions are the competitive world deeds, like discovering natural wonders, being the first to research writing, the first to disover a continent or the first to build a railway connection etc.

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3 years ago
Jan 3, 2021, 3:39:25 PM

Yeah seems so based on the streams: It might not be ideal to have the factions compete for such abstract goals. Players might not be happy with loosing a game based on this system


There should be clear alternate goals at least to achieve victory. Dominance is the most straight-forward goal in such games which can usually be achieved via military force of diplomacy


Saw that sea-travel attrition effectively prevents a domination victory before 2/3 of the era progress is reached - this is sub-optimal: if there is attrition, it should not be devastating enough to prevent travel and expansion from ancient era onward but at least in middle ages it should be doable.

Note: The Chinese golden fleet has traversed the globe by the 1430s and the middle ages only ended in 1500 not to mention the Viking colonies which are dated from even before the Chinese expeditions. So colonization across the entire map should start at latest in the mid-middle ages and thus allow for domination victory at the mid-game mark if there are continents


Other usual victory conditions can be wonders, spaceship but was never a fan of these. Fame is better then these two at least but it doesnt seem to intertwine the game mechanics enough

Meaning: How does fame exactly translates into a game for a player? What does it effectively mean if an AI has twice the fame - does it have any mechanical effect on how the game plays?


E.g: If fame has a palpable effect on the soft (diplomacy and/or economy) or hard (military) power of a nation, that would have a natural translation into the competition within the game: If an AI has 3X the fame as the player, that means they are more powerful and would have won a direct confrontation anyhow


If fame is only representing victory points and expansion overseas is limited until way beyond the second half of the game, that means that all games with continents will boil down into a prolonged endurance game where it will usually not be clear why a player is winning or loosing


Ideally I would suggest that the game aims to allow a more rapid conclusion of typical games, where the player is either overwhelmed or is victorious by the second or third age (normal map with 5 enemies)

The game would only continue beyond these ages if the map and number of enemies make it impossible to dominate them by the third era OR the player is pursuing a peaceful play-stile and is lucky enough to do so with the given neighbors


CIV games did not have a chance at this as combat in these games is crippled and all games seemed to boil down into a rush to modern age where combat was working enough to finally conquer the enemy AI which never had a chance. The AIs didn't already have a chance in the classical era but the broken combat system was actively preventing the player from winning (not the enemy :)) - this leads to the exact same playing experience every time: predictable and boring where I suspect most players never finished their ongoing games but started new ones instead for the early game thrill

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