I am playing a game, I don't need that much "Historical consistency". I wan't bothered In Civ that I founded the united stats of America (1 city is not united states) in 4000 BC

Lompeluiten wrote:

I am playing a game, I don't need that much "Historical consistency". I wan't bothered In Civ that I founded the united stats of America (1 city is not united states) in 4000 BC

Indeed: that is why concentrating on culture is much more beneficial it is often more easy to be accure AND have fun with a game mechanic this way e.g.: you would not be  controlling the USA but Anglo Saxons qand creating whatever city and state you like :)

But of course lots of our most well known cultural groups melted togehter with the state they formed (such as the case with Romans) but in case of Greece city states this is no issue: it does not specify which particual city state you are playing as (and it doesnt need to :))

I like this idea and I am hoping at least it can be possible to create these historical hierarchies or “runs” via modding. 

I think this feature should exist, but it should be optional.

I think CULTURE GROUPS or "succession of cultures" is a better term for what you're talking about rather than hierarchies :)

"Hierarchies" would be about ranking some cultures as superior (let's not get into that discussion!), not about how some cultures are historically related.

I definitely like the idea of a limited culture selection based on culture group/region (e.g. Mycenaeans can choose to become either Greeks or Romans), but I'm almost certain we won't see that in the official game (except hopefully in some scenarios). It's a core concept that players can choose freely between all available cultures.

But culture groups would be a great concept for a mod.

I don't have modding experience but I have lots of ideas about what I would like to see in a mod like that :)
I might post them when I have more time :)

Will we be able to customize our own culture?

I just like that you mentioned Atlantis XD.  I mean, we do know that Atlantis existed, but they would just be lumped in under early Greeks.

I mean - I do think it could be fun to have hidden "Prestige Cultures" that have prerequisites in terms of previous choices, but it would probably be impossible to balance. Probably more for a mod than for the base game.

Mordomacar wrote:

I mean - I do think it could be fun to have hidden "Prestige Cultures" that have prerequisites in terms of previous choices, but it would probably be impossible to balance. Probably more for a mod than for the base game.

That is true if there is balancing to the cultures

I only play and consider single-player where this is not really an issue: I expect the player to get into situations that are unwinnable (unfair) and find combinations that are very powerful

I would love to see this feature.

I love the mechanics that makes the cultures on a wheel. That we can only choose -for example- only 2 degree left and right

Valmighty wrote:

I would love to see this feature.

I love the mechanics that makes the cultures on a wheel. That we can only choose -for example- only 2 degree left and right

Exactly: there is still a level of flexibility but it is more logical how each culture evolve into one-another over time

No Samurai fighting next to Mayan soldier

Drawback would be less competition to pick races (which I wouldnt mind) and that not all cultures have logical tie-ins

The latter can be remedied with historical research :)

A review from RepublicofPlay has noted a point that cultures cna be selected without any sort of pre-requirement other then they were not chosen before which ties into this topic

Having pre-requirements for each culture woudl also serve well to narrow down the selection and have the player lean more heavily into roleplaying the cultures at hand

e.g.:

- Having harbour and a colony outside of your own continent to be able to choose Phoenicians

- Settle first city in Desert tiles and next to at least one river for Egypt

- Establish x amount of outposts to choose an expansion heavy Civ

- Having battle success rate <x% to choose Rome

- Build a school in each citiy for China

- Build at least one charriot unit to choose a CIV which has chariot specific faction unit in the next tier

etc...

Tracking these pre-requirements could easily be done from the faction selection menu itself and it would serve as great tension to have to build towwards ceartant civs but seeing them being snatched away :)

The challenge in such a concept would be to code the AI to take these into consideration

Zolobolo wrote:

A review from RepublicofPlay has noted a point that cultures cna be selected without any sort of pre-requirement other then they were not chosen before which ties into this topic

Having pre-requirements for each culture woudl also serve well to narrow down the selection and have the player lean more heavily into roleplaying the cultures at hand

e.g.:

- Having harbour and a colony outside of your own continent to be able to choose Phoenicians

- Settle first city in Desert tiles and next to at least one river for Egypt

- Establish x amount of outposts to choose an expansion heavy Civ

- Having battle success rate <x% to choose Rome

- Build a school in each citiy for China

- Build at least one charriot unit to choose a CIV which has chariot specific faction unit in the next tier

etc...

Tracking these pre-requirements could easily be done from the faction selection menu itself and it would serve as great tension to have to build towwards ceartant civs but seeing them being snatched away :)

The challenge in such a concept would be to code the AI to take these into consideration

There is an amazing Mod of Civ 4, which I STROGLY RECOMMEND to everyone who plays this game called Dawn of Civilization, it is built on Rhye's and Fall of Civilization. I bring it up because it has that system, not found civilizations, but to start religions. See in that game you play on an earth map, and religions get founded through historical event, but you can trigger founding a religion early by meeting goals such as 

Judaism
Event: founded in a city in the Levant around 1500 BC (independent cities prioritized)
Goal: discover Writing and conquer an independent city

Hinduism
Event: India spawns
Goal: discover Ceremony and acquire six different happiness resources

Catholicism
Event: founded when more than half of all Orthodox cities are outside of a civ without Orthodox state religion
Goal: discover Theology and build an Orthodox Cathedral

-https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/new-religion-founding-conditions.607889/

I'd love to see something similar for Religions