Dragar wrote:

I'm sure the devs read this, but it might be worth posting in the bug forum too, Aitarus.

We are reading and logging everything. :)

Thanks for the feedback!

 We tried the patch in small MP group. 

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/904527001183844535/B9AD820298C4766121B3C4997ECB5DCF180834CF/

 Vodyani spawned near boost resourse and void stone, the game was over at turn 40.  Vodyani unlocked last CP boost at turn 95 on normal speed! 

"Militarist" isn't "military above all," it's "we trust nobody and will fight them." Refusing access to your military is a suitably paranoid Militarist choice, because you don't trust refugees or foreigners not to tamper instead.

"Ecologist" thinking isn't "plants and animals above all," it's "biodiversity and cultural diversity above all." Implicitly trusting in an alien minority by allowing them unlimited access to your military is an Ecologist choice for supporting the diversification of your society by bringing in another culture.

Well it's a heavy debate. Ecology in endless space 2 touches a broad spectrum of concepts. 

The first laws are mostly about increasing the food production, something that industrial ideologies may do also, but differently. Industrial production of food is huge, with a very low thoughts about next generations, meanwhile ecologic production of food are less impressive, but better at long term. So... In endless 2 this part is kinda erased for FIDS prodcution consistency. Also, all space food improvement in ES2 are industrial AND ecologic production types, intensive but combined with agroecology process, so we can imagine that in million years the idnsutrial and ecologic food production has found a balance. So there is a reason than idustrial ideaology did give to ecologic ideology all the food concepts, to focus on other subjects ?

The second part of ecologist politic in ES2 are about combining species for a better outcome. In ecology ideologies, not ecology science, there are a lot of "social ecology" ideas, thinking that you can lead and manage a group of people peacefully and properly with ecologic concepts. The main ideas are most of the time that diversity in a group is positive, dont let the group to be too much dependant to power, if you lead him, and try to get the best from everybody instead of control their weakness. So, there is a possibility that this kind of concepts has make their ways and proven their efficacity in a far future, when intelligent beings are so differents, and took a main part of ecologic ideology.

The very ultra important "biodiversity" part of the ecology science (not the ideology) was no left out, but is discreet. It's the fuel of evolution, the "shield" against mass extinction, and a treasure of scientific possibilities. It's very easy to destroy, and there is no way to rebuild it, exept let the live do its job and wait. But still, nothing say that indusrty in ES2 dont take this in account. The xeno-industrial infrastructre is supposedly adaptative to local environments, and is better on planets with a lot of living forms. The industry in ES2 probably dont destroy environnents. Apparently, the cravers are the only species that truely destroy biodiversity, and pay the price for. 

Dragar wrote:

Cultural diversity is pacifist though. Quality of life is ecologist, but there is no sign of that here. If anything it should be a scientist outcome.

Sorry to be a bit annoying, but ecology is not about quality of life at all. It's my way of life, and I also am a worker on ecologic sites. It's clearly more healthier, but it ask a ton of hard work. An ecologic way of life is not easy at all to follow, and will never be. There are a lot of things that take time to do to get the same service that an industrial way of life get instantly (energy, food, mostly). It ask for a lot of maintaining work every year, for human comfort, but also for protecting actual bio-diversity. More those works are made in the ecologic way, more they are hard (hand made instead of using machines) or money costly (with ecologic machines/fuel). It's clearly worth in the end, but not comfortable at all, and i cant even complaint too much i live in one if the most cosy/safe climate in the world (west-south france). An entirely modern ecologic world would be a very heathly place to live for, and very passionnating, but still harsh.

I mean in terms of the game and the sorts of improvements that contribute to ecologists. That it doesn't mesh with real world meaning is unfortunate but unsurprising.

Yeh i understood, but i decided to be annoying anyway >_>

What are penetration values for the new energy bombers and fighers. When will we be able to see those values in the game?

Any reason to pick one instead of another for fighters aside from damage to ships?

*SIGH* By the beard of the Endless! Will I ever get to play a game of ES 2 where all the stuff works? I feel like I've been waiting forever...

Back to the shelf with you ES 2

I'm sure the devs read this, but it might be worth posting in the bug forum too, Aitarus.

I cannot load 1.1.15 thru Steam. I load the game it goes into loading screen and bar fills up then nothing. Go back to release version and it loads fine into the main menu. Others I play with do not have this issue and I have seen no one else mention this. Video drivers up to date. Tried various other things. Nothing worked. Just thought I would give a heads up as when it goes to release it may affect many more people.

Can you list the things you've tried?

Updated Video drivers. Removed the Registry.xml. Tried turning off Avast since it has affected other games. Initially did a test of uninstalling preview and testing that base game still worked then reinstalling preview to no avail. Redownloaded the whole game while subscibed to preview. Verified Files. Restarted Computer. Restarted Steam.